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Online Business Systems Description

Online Business Systems is an information kit sold by home-based job entrepreneurs Tanya and Warren Davis. This information kit provides step by step instructions on making money at home through a specific network marketing company. Through this tutorial, the Davis’ promise to show you what you need to do in order be successful as a network marketing affiliate.

Online Business Systems Detailed Overview

Online Business Systems is not actually a money-making program in itself, but rather a tutorial that teaches you how to be successful with a particular network marketing company. Though in the main text of the sales website for the tutorial it doesn’t mention what the network marketing company is, it does say that it is traded on the New York Stock Exchange and is a multi-million dollar company. Though not mentioning the name of what the Davis’ call “the parent company” might make some people suspect, the truth is that it’s mentioned in the fine print at the bottom of the sales page, and it’s Herbalife.

The fact that the company that Online Business Systems teaches you how to be successful with is Herbalife is not bad news. This is a well-known and successful company that sells such things as health products and non-toxic household cleaners. It has been around for many years, and there are people who are making a lot of money as Herbalife distributors and team leaders.

With Herbalife, just as with any network marketing company, you have to work hard and work smart in order to make money with it. This is where Tanya and Warren Davis say that Online Business Systems comes in. By following this system, they claim that you can avoid all the pitfalls that some beginning network marketers face and go right to making a good income with Herbalife.

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Online Business Systems Reputation

As good as it sounds up front, Online Business Systems is not getting good feedback. Reports are that the initial charge of $9.95 to ship the information kit to you is only the beginning. They continually ask for you to purchase more information and more products in order to “really” make money with Herbalife. This program is not endorsed by Herbalife, and all indications point to steering clear. If you’re interested in being a distributor for Herbalife, it’s best to contact them directly.

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Do Not Purchase

This website seems like a great idea at first. Pay less than ten dollars and get your business kit, and a free counselor to help you start making money (from home- yay!). Once you receive your kit they will start adding on hidden fees until you cancel your order with them. If you do not send back their business kit they will charge you even more. Oh, and making money? Well, I didn't see any of that. Losing money is more like it.
 
 


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avatar   by leeder on September 19, 2012 at 8:45 AM CST

 
 
 
If you want to do Herbalife, skip OBS

I signed up with OBS in December. Before I signed up, I wasn't aware that their would be so many upsells and other charges that pertain to using OBS. If I was informed about what OBS does and costs, I would have never signed up. If a person has disposable income and can afford to spend $500-$2500 per month on "lead packages" then go for it. As for me, I can't afford to. If you really want to sell Herbalife, just avoid OBS. Are they a scam? Yes and no. I don't think them offering a service and requiring to pay for it is not a scam. Is not disclosing upfront with a potential prospect a scam. Not really, but it is misleading for someone like myself who is very new. If you want a system to help you build your online business, than OBS is that system that can help you, but it comes with a price.
 
 


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avatar   by luke1213 on January 30, 2012 at 7:09 AM CST

 
 
 
Just keep your eyes open if you proceed with this business model

So, you pay the $9.95 shipping/handling, then there is a follow up phone call (The Pitch) when they call you. The package you received tells nothing of the business model itself, only hype about how others made money. By now, most of you know it is Herbalife. Now, Herbalife is a fantastic business model with caring corporate people. Online Business Systems (will refer to as OBS) is very deceiving. After the $399 charge , there is an additional $100 set up fee for the back office. The back office is worth the charge as it does contain conference calling, webinar features, and some training which is good. It is the $100 you pay for each lead plus the $29.95 you pay for each package you must send to your leads. They also tell you that you will sign up 3 or more for every ten people you pitch this to, but the hard cold facts are much less than that. They tell you in order to succeed, you must send out at least 25 packages each month.

Now add that up ... 25 leads for $2,500 plus 25 packages for $29.95 each. That amounts to over $3,500 per month. Don't you think that most people would be happy to earn an additional $3,500 per month, rather than having to spend that on almost worthless leads?

My advice ... Find a great coach and join Herbalife. By all means, stay away from OBS! Few get rich with this model. Most go broke.
 
 


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avatar   by designalife on November 2, 2011 at 8:41 PM CST

 
 
 
You are right, it's a scam

This is a tutorial on how to market online. In my opinion this is just a trick to get more people to sell Herbal Life. I mean I guess it is a good tutorial on how to get motivated but if I wanted to sell vitamins and dietary supplements, I would have been doing it. I feel misled. The dvd and the cd are so vague and evasive on what the actual thing you will be doing is. Do not order it!
 
 


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avatar   by juliahogan on August 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM CST

 
 
 
What a rip-off!

I got pulled in by these people, sorry to admit, twice! They send out their 'free' information kit and then call you constantly pushing you to commit. The products may be good - or not - because I never tried them after being harassed so much. Once you get that kit - you better send it right back to them - or you'll get charged a $39.95 + s/h on your credit card and forget about getting that money back!

Scams, Scams, everywhere is scams...
 
 


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avatar   by TheLadyKim on February 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM CST

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The online business system falacy

If you don't mind continually putting money into something to build it up this is for you. I like the system but did not appreciate the dishonesty involved. You don't get to learn about the business products till you put money in and you get very vague answers to the big questions like "do I have to invest more money?". If all questions were answered up front I would have saved 2000.
 
 


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avatar   by Tanyabro on February 18, 2011 at 9:55 PM CST

 
 
 
Not what I was looking for

I also called and got the decision package that did not say too much - lots of testimonials etc. I spoke to the coach and listened to the 3 way recorded call to find out that the online business system was a lead generation system used for this one team. So yes they are looking for you to sign up for the $399 the the $100 set up for the system then a monthly fee to use the system that is either $49 or $79 depending on the level you choose then there is the advertising budget that you set for yourself- I was given the example of $500 which determines the amount of leads you get. I was interested in this as I did not want to join a MLM company where I would have to contact friends and family etc, I liked the online part, but I do not want to expend thousands. I have belonged to Melalueca for some time and love their nutritional and wellness products so I guess if online business solutions is just herbalife I should go sell the products I already know and use -

good luck to anyone who does go forward with this but it is not for me-
 
 


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avatar   by beachgirl on January 27, 2011 at 6:17 PM CST

 
 
 
Online Business Systems

I recently became interested in work from home opportunities. I have yet to find one that would work for me or isn't a scam.

I tried OBS. All of the previous comments are true, however I did not read anyone commenting about how much the business package costs. I did see some other fees I hadn't come across yet but I am sure they would be there. This business is basically a middleman that teaches you with great training how to set up your own business. They do however seem to want to keep everything from you until after you pay. I did pay the 9.95 but I will be returning this. I did receive the booklet. It was crap, just more pump you up testimonials. I was reluctant to add my real number so I put a fake one. That way I got emails instead trying to coo me into learning about them. That gave me a few days to actually learn more about them on my own. Then I decided to email the "Coach" back and included my "new number"

I did ask in the email that she tell me what the products were and what I would be doing in an email before she called me so I would know whether I wanted to participate. She never did, she just called.

I sat on the phone for 20 minutes while we got patched into a three way call with the main guy from the video that shook his hands in front of him a lot.

It was during that call they dropped the bombshell on me about paying for my start up package. They did give me two options:

Option 1 Basic Distributor Package. Basically you sell door to door or to your friends and family only.

Option 2 (the obvious option) Online Business System Package.

This is where they send you various products such as Registration for doing business in all countries, how to make 25 percent gross profit, training manual, 1 month supply of products to try at home, Herbal Life training manual, registered live training, and an online office. This package is purchased for a small convenient fee of 399.

I did not have the money to waste on something I didn't even know if it would work or not.

I told my coach I didn't have that kind of money and she said that in the beginning neither did she and she had to put it on a credit card and make it her goal to pay it off. Obviously trying to steer me in that direction. I said I would think about it and I did and the answer will be no. I just am not in the position to throw away money if I don't understand what is going on.

Now my final thoughts about this business is.

It might be a great, lucrative opportunity and you may get a lot of money back and that is great. However I do think they should tell you absolutely everything up front. How much you will have to invest in your own business plan and telling you step by step instructions to let you know what you may be missing or what you're in for. Not just Hello Listen to this testimonial and a story from us about how we came from doing nothing and now we make lots of money. So give me some of yours and you can be like me.

You should have heard the conversation.

After the live call she was like the next step is to pay and get plugged in so how do you want to pay. I told her I didn't have money for that I am sorry but I can't... big pause... Well um I didn't either and I got a credit card and then paid it off. I said I don't know I don't have very much information and I don't feel like giving money out for something that no one really explains.... another long pause. She said well alright I will give you 24 hours to think about it.

I am happy that she did because I am not going to waste any money that is needed for my family on something like this.

Although if you did have a few thousand dollars to invest it might be a great opportunity, but I will never know because they wont tell you anything until you have already invested a certain amount. They figure since you have already paid x amount of money why not pay a little more instead of letting that first amount go to waste. I don't want to be stuck in that option. So my decision is to move on and get a real job.
 
 


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avatar   by Gwendy13 on September 23, 2010 at 6:17 PM CST

 
 
 
Online Business Systems SCAM

I paid the $9.95 for the package to see what it was all about. I received the information only a few hours ago and read through the booklet and watched the DVD and it was all testimonials and didn't really tell me anything about the company at all. On the letter it said that my credit card would be charged under UNITEDPAY, when it was actually charged to THE ELMS MOTOR INN TUMUT AUS. That automatically set me off and so I started researching and read everyone else's comments and rang my bank straight away and they have blocked my credit card and within 2 hours they have tried taking the $39.95 off of it, but luckily it got declined and I got in before them. This is a SCAM and anyone looking at trying it I recommend to stay away from it!
 
 


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avatar   by aaronsharee on August 13, 2010 at 10:03 PM CST

 
 
 
Internet Business

I am actively seeking an on line job and followed up on a e mail I received offering what I thought was a good opportunity with On Line Business Systems. The ad appeared very honest stating that expectations for making lots of money would not occur immediately but would take time and effort, and initially $500 to $1000 per month would be more likely. I was to be assigned a coach for 1:1 know how in setting this up. I paid $9.95 for the information pack and CD/DVD which I had 15 days to view.. If I decided against it then I had to return the packet and the money is lost. If I don't return the packet then I will be further charged $39.95. I tried for over a week to call the phone number I was given for my coach, also left three voice mail messages. I kept getting e mails stating why haven't I heard from you but nothing in response to my several e mails I sent back stating I had been calling and leaving messages, and have been home and have an answering machine.

To date I returned the packet, the cost of return if sent with a receipt was $15. The company is supposedly listed with the BBB with an A rating. This is rubbish, I checked and can only find an F rating. I have never had the courtesy of any sort of reply, and still continue to get e mails from "the coach". I am monitoring my credit card to see if they stop money. Therefore, I would say steer clear of this business. I just think it's a scam to get your initial $10 investment.

I am really disappointed as it sounded so legitimate, and I am in earnest need of an on line business and still looking. Are there any on line business that are not scams?
 
 


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avatar   by Nightowl0910 on August 1, 2010 at 11:25 AM CST

 
 
 
Not completely what I expected

Upon receiving the "kit" for Online Business Systems, I received a letter letting me know that there was a 15-day period to review the material and have a chance to send it back or I would be charged $39.95 for the complete kit which consisted of what a CD, a DVD and a booklet of little or nothing but testimonials. After receiving the kit, I did get a call from my coach, who seemed to have an interest in helping me. But later I found out that it would cost more money to actually get started and I was looking for something I could use to make money without spending too much money. Bottom line is OBS is ridiculous and not worth it unless you do have an initial amount of money to spend on it. Oh, I also canceled my credit card to avoid them charging any more money. And when they call to ask me to pay, I will say, here is your "kit" and I found out I don't want any part of this business, right now, but may be interested when I have the funds. I wouldn't try this if I were you. Take my advice, don't try it.
 
 


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avatar   by blaemedia on July 27, 2010 at 1:20 PM CST

 
 
 
Online Business Systems not upfront about Herbalife and/or expenses

I started with Online Business Systems (ie. online Herbalife Marketing) 3 months ago. The initial DP/Decision Package ($9.95) has several CDs and a 4 page folder to get you amped about doing business with a company sold on the NYSE, with nearly 4 billion in sales last year. It does not mention any relation to Herbalife.

After you view this you receive a phone call from your Personal Coach (who has paid for your lead and interest, and is trying to get you to sign on); you are then asked to invest $399 to join, and receive a sampling of Herbalife products. If you do not return the DP you are charged an additional $39.95, and if you do return the DP you are only charged the initial $9.95.

As an Independent Distributor, you do receive 25% of your retail sales. However you are not told upfront that in order to become verified and use the OBS website (that you must be able to access for training, to place and process orders, receive your 800#, your own website, etc), it will cost an additional $100 the first month and $49.95/month thereafter. You then need to invest ~$50 to set up a Merchant Account to process Credit Card payments, and that is an additional ~$25/month. Then you need to tackle advertising expenses.

The next push is to get you to advance from Distributor to Supervisor. At the Supervisor level you do receive 50% of retail sales + 25% of your Distributors (that you have recruited) sales; however to get there you need to sell or purchase $4000 in product retail and/or recruitment in ONE month. At 42% off, that is only $2320+S/H/taxes. There is a 7% handling fee on all products shipped, not including shipping. Overall, it is far better to be at a Supervisor level, with this great return on retail, royalties + 8-25% wholesale profit, and other benefits. However, as an Independent Distributor, doing retail only (without buying leads - which start at ~$500), has been difficult. At first I thought no problem... GREAT products (and I do give the products an A+, with variety, doctor developed and tested, safety, 30 years in the making. Nutritional supplements for health or Weight Control; Energizers; Cardiac, Digestive and other Targeted Nutrition products; Skin and Hair products; Fragrances, etc. No household cleaners as mentioned in another article) I can sell these like candy! Well, on my own with ~$100 spent on advertising + ~$700 invested for start up, I have made only $200+/3 months. You have to invest in "your business" to get the sales and recruit new folks for your credit. In reality, if you have $3,000-$6,000 to invest initially, I DO Believe this is a GREAT Business Opportunity! As you climb the ladder within OBS/Herbalife the rewards are great (receiving a cut of everyone 3 levels below you, other bonuses, there are dozens of people making 10-20K/month. Albeit, they are reinvesting a portion of that to advertising to keep up those sales). Ahhh, I still believe you need to know the whole scoop up front, which they do not advocate or train for (via prewritten scripts for recruiting with their Supervisor on a 3 way call with the recruitee).

The product training IS excellent, and there are live calls at least 4 days weekly, webinars, as well as recorded info. You do not have to reinvent the wheel on printed Product info, etc. My Personal Coach quit a few days ago, returning to a CEO position. I will have her coach now, and perhaps she will be more forthright (however I get the big picture now).

I will continue with OBS as I attain more operating $$$ for my own success. I only wish I had known upfront exactly what it was going to take investment-wise to make the best choice at the time. I do not have an extra $3000 right now to invest in my business. If you do, then I say "go for it"! Otherwise, I would say to hang on to your initial ~$600-700, as OBS is not going to tell you the real deal.

Deb Staats, PA-C (yes I am a Physician Assistant and that is partly why I have such faith and respect for the Herbalife products).
 
 


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avatar   by debstaats on May 26, 2010 at 9:40 AM CST

 
 
 
Be Very Careful!

In 2007 I tried to work with Herbalife and failed horribly. Now in 2010 I find myself unemployed and thinking about starting my own business. I ordered the kit for $9.95 and read the training pack, watched the DVD and then spoke with a "coach" from Online Business Systems. I was disappointed to learn that you are basically selling Herbalife, there is a start up fee of $149 and you should purchase all of the supplements that are offered. I'm sorry but, if they can't tell you who they are upfront then something is just not right. So friends beware of what and who you are planning on working with or for.
 
 


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avatar   by MagicMessenger on April 1, 2010 at 2:21 PM CST

 
 
 
Worthless Online Business Systems

When I first received this product, I felt cheated. I found out about this system through Partner with Paul which I am disappointed with as well. When you received this package, there is a dvd and cd with just a bunch of testimonials. I had a coach I spoke to over the phone, and when I spoke with her, I did let her know that I want no parts of this business. The amount of money and the fees just don't stop. You have to pay $9.95 to first receive the kit. If you decide to keep the kit, you will be charged $39.95 more then after that you will be charged $29.95 per month with the amount of Herbal Life products you would have to buy.

What a waste of time. If you or I wanted to join Herbalife, you can just go the site and join and you won't have to worry about paying those extra fees for this Online Business System which is the $9.95 and then the $39.95 to keep a dvd and cd with just a bunch of testimonials. What a rip off.

I also am not happy with the whole pyramid thing where you would have to buy Herbal life products and then you would have to recruit people too. Not for me no thanks. Don't waste your time. If you want to join Herbal Life, just go straight to their site and join. The Online Business System is what you don't need. The system is a waste. You can also head over to scam.com to read all the complaints from many people who were ripped off by Online Business Systems. I am so surprised that they are still in business. Amazing!
 
 


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avatar   by uni350 on December 28, 2009 at 1:30 PM CST

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Be careful

What you first think of when you find the kit for $9.95? If you were me, I will immediately take these kits. After waiting for a week, this kit was finally arrived at my house. This kit consists of a CD & DVD, and a sheet of paper containing the notice, if we do not return the kit within 14 days, then we will be required to pay a fine of $ 39.95. Whoa…I feel like cheated. The price is actually about $50! Only for a piece DVD & CD which only contains testimonies and a short tutorial that is completely useless to me.

Only after two days since I received the kit, I immediately sent it back. Instead I have to pay $ 39.95 for something that I think is not useful at all. I gave up my $ 9.95, but I would not recommend this product to anyone.
 
 


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avatar 2,000 Credits - Top Contributor   by omdo on December 27, 2009 at 9:47 PM CST

 
 
 
Don't Waste Your Money

$9.95 plus $39.95 if you don't return it in time for what amounts to a sales letter and some testimonials! The $9.95 is supposedly postage for the "kit". Postage would have been less than $2 and delivery online could easily have been done for free.

The initial "kit" does not even include a list of products!
 
 


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avatar   by notjustmum on November 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM CST

 
 
 
I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone

My experience with Online Business Systems wasn’t very good. The cost of the kit was only 9.95$ and I decided to give it a try. I was very disappointed in the DVD and CD. All I got was testimonials. There was no information. I contacted support and they told me that I need to pay for leads and the training seminar. This is very misleading since they are not mentioning this when you subscribe. I also had to install a separate phone line for all the orders. I didn’t like this so I returned the kit.

In my opinion this company will just ask for money from you. This is not a business opportunity. I am glad I got out of it in time. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone.
 
 


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avatar 10,000 Credits - Internet Marketing Guru   by stephany on November 8, 2009 at 10:41 AM CST

 
 
 
Online Business Systems - My Nightmare

My experience with Online Business Systems has been anything but a good one. I went ahead and paid the $9.95 for the kit. When I got the kit, there was a letter inside that said if I was not going to proceed with the opportunity then I needed to return the kit within 14 days to avoid being charged the $39.95 for this kit. Ok... all is fine so far. This is what they call the "weeding out" process for the serious business seekers. I also understood their point on this.

When I began watching the DVD and CD and reading through all of the information that was sent, I realized that there was nothing there except for the fact that there were loads of testimonials and how I would be working with HerbalLife products, however it doesn't say which ones or how I would go about doing it. At this point, even though I wasn't happy with the kit since it didn't really contain any information on "how" I would be doing this, I decided to continue. I was still in my first 14 days.

I then received a call from my personal business coach who at that time went over the program. It sounded easy enough and then came the bomb. This woman spent 20 minutes on the phone with me telling me that in order to make money with this company that I would have to pay for leads. I would also have to pay for credit card processing fees if I was going to set up credit card payments. But she wasn't finished. I asked about the training seminars and was told that I had to pay for those too. She also told me that it is "recommended" that I get a separate phone line for all of my orders. I was disgusted. The whole purpose of this program is not to get you a business up and running with HerbalLife but to get more money out of you through other means.

I informed my Personal Business Coach that I was returning the kit since I was still in my time frame. I included tracking on the package as it is standard practice for anything I send. Anyways, when I got my credit card bill in the mail, I noticed that the $39.95 charge appeared on my statement. I immediately called Online Business Systems and they gave me some story about how damaged my kit was when they got it back and that there would be no refund. I new it wasn't damaged, but I also knew I wasn't going to win with this person I was talking to. I had to contact my credit card company to get the charges off of there and have since filed a complaint with the BBB. This is nothing more than a scam in my eyes.

After experiencing this nightmare first hand, I can definitely say stay away from this company. Their only goal is to get you to spend more money. If you want to be a part of the HerbalLife program then go to their site directly and sign up. This is nothing more than a game to these people and I would advise to steer clear of them.
 
 


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